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Samurai list questions !

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:45 pm
by HyPo
Hi, I'am starting to play Hordes and heroes.
I wish to play samurais !

But according to the samurai army list I have two questions:

- Mounted samurai have (7+) for shooting so it concerns mounted samurais with bow. (H-9001)
What about mounted samurais with yari? (H-9011) what are there stats?

- Foot samurais (H-9002) are considered as shooting ones ???? with a (7+) shooting stat. Aren't they samurais with yari/nagis? in this case they don't shoot ! is there a mistake?

Thanks and have a good play !

Re: Samurai list questions !

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:03 am
by Paul K

The current samurai list is aimed at the early period from about1300 when the bow was a principle samurai weapon both for the foot and mounted - the samurai had mostly abandoned the bow by the time of the Onin War (1467-1477) in favour of the naginata and Yari. This was a gradual process over time and to reflect this we have now created differentiated army lists for the early and later periods. I will publish these on the forum very shortly; they are included in the revised H&H Medieval army lists which along with the up-dateds version of the rules will be available on line in a couple of months.

Later Samurai:
Mounted samurai with yari have the same stats as European heavy horse: B class, movement 3 +1CR, A2 armour, combat 5 +4 impact, points 14.

Foot samouri (without bow) B class, movement 1 +1CR, A2 armour, combat 6 +1 impact, points 13.

A key feature of the H&H army lists is that they are designed to provide a framework on to which players can construct the particular characteristics of units and armies for a point in history and geographical location. Many hundreds of different army lists would be required to very accurately reflect medieval army characteristics at a particular time, place, battle, campaign etc. It would be a really interesting and absorbing project to do!

Re: Samurai list questions !

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:16 am
by HyPo
Thanks a lot.

It's true, I was thinking about late samurai.

I am Happy to know all the updated rules and army lists to come. *impatient*

I have few informations about late samurai, perhaps too few. I will help as I could.

(it will be good to implement for samurais a "betreyal" possibility and a particular command rule ... perhaps a bit heavy for H&H medieval)


Re: Samurai list questions !

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:52 pm
by Paul K
I've been thinking about your suggestion about the 'betrayal' idea in the command rules and it reminded me of the recent Battle of Bosworth game (see battle reports section). It would be very easy to construct a samurai battle senario with similar opportunities for treachery and betrayal - it would make for a very interesting multi-player game.